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Bill... Placebo mystery man!
On our trip earlier this year to the studio where Placebo were recording their fifth album, ‘MEDS’ which has now been released, Sissy managed to corner William Patrick Lloyd, (better known as Bill) who has perhaps one of the best and most unusual jobs in the music industry, and got him to answer a few questions. Bill acts as a kind of interface between Placebo and their crew; sort of half a fourth member, half tech. He does a bit of everything from playing and programming to looking after the equipment side of things. You can usually see him at Placebo gigs lurking at the back of the stage, playing extra guitar and keyboard parts and trying not to be noticed. He wouldn’t even let us take his photo for this interview on account of his modesty and shyness!
SISSY: How did you end up such a unique situation?
BILL: I started off as a tech for Placebo around the time of the second album, and they asked me to play some stuff at gigs so I developed this dual role. Then eventually I got to contribute a few little ideas and bits of playing in the studio on the odd occasion; a bit of bass or keyboards.
SISSY: How did you get involved in music?
BILL: I was in a band from the Croydon area called Faith Over Reason and we got a publishing deal while I was still at school. Then we carried on after we left school for a few years. I mainly played keyboards and then bass.
The music was kind of folky indie rock… a bit dodgy really, and not very cool!
Then I worked for a small record company for a while where I sometimes had to drive bands around and help them set up. It was a really cool label called Big Cat; they had bands like Pavement who I really liked.
I was always interested in technical things so I learnt a bit about it… you have to be interested in technical stuff to be any good at it otherwise you’d get bored!
SISSY: It always seems to me that Placebo have quite a heavy workload. Is that by choice?
BILL: It’s more out of the necessity of keeping the profile up. It’s not too bad though, we have had a bit of time off here and there.
SISSY: What did you get up to in 2005?
BILL: We were touring, then we did some writing sessions where I had to set up the gear and get the sounds so we could record it for the demos. Then we started doing the album.
SISSY: Do you enjoy the extensive touring that working with Placebo involves?
BILL: I mostly like it but it can get a bit much after a year or so!
SISSY: What’s your favourite place to play?
BILL: We went to South America for the first time earlier in 2005 and that was fantastic, I had a great time.
France is a good place for us to play; we always get treated really well and the venues we play are designed for bands whereas in countries like the UK you’re sometimes playing in classical music venues, which sound terrible. And I always look forward to going back to Australia.
SISSY: What do you think gives Placebo its international appeal?
BILL: It’s kind of unique and doesn’t follow any particular styles; it just does its own thing.
SISSY: Do you think Placebo will carry on forever like the Rolling Stones?
BILL: If you’d have asked me that a few years ago I’d have said no way but the longer it goes on the more I think I can’t really see a finish!
SISSY: What’s your favourite type of Placebo song?
BILL: Probably the darker, mellower stuff interests me more than the up-beat songs. I really like the album we’re making now because it has that darker flavour.
SISSY: What’s it like being behind the scenes all the time? Do you mind not being in the press shots and having none of the glory?!
BILL: I really like it; I wouldn’t like to be at the front of the stage and I don’t like the limelight. A couple of times the band have pushed me to the front if it’s my birthday or something and I hated it! It was kind of sweet of them but I didn’t feel comfortable. I prefer being out of the spotlight and just working on the music.
SISSY: What was the first proper gig you ever saw?
BILL: I think it was the Thompson Twins… I was in my early teens and I was really into synthesisers. I learned to play my grandmother’s electric organ and wanted to get a proper synth. I seemed to have a fairly immediate understanding of that type of technology, it was definitely my thing. I had a triple keyboard stand and a home-made A-frame which I thought was really cool but it was the 80’s so that’s ok!
SISSY: Would you consider doing the same kind of job for another band?
BILL: Probably not! I don’t think I could start all over again with anyone else; getting to know them and exactly how they do things.
SISSY: What equipment can you recommend?
BILL: If you’re starting out, Fender probably do the best guitars for the least money. You can get something playable for £200 or so that will sound all right, you can gig with it. All the amplifiers I like aren’t starter amps; my favourite bass amp is the 200T Ampeg. For guitars, Marshalls are always good but if you can afford it, you can’t beat the Fender Twin ’65 reissue… it’s the best reissue I’ve heard.
With keyboards, the old classics tend to be my favourites, my first keyboard is my favourite still, it’s a Korg 700S monophonic synth. The latest thing I like which is quite cheap is the Korg Legacy reissues of their old synths. You can get all the vintage sounds like the Poly 6, Wavestation and MS20 and they’re all really good.
SISSY: What do you use for programming?
BILL: We don’t use sequencing live, but I’ve started using a sample programme called Contact. Live I use a keyboard and pedals to trigger clicks and sounds and stuff.
SISSY: Have you ever missed a trigger and not brought a song in?
BILL: I’ve done it a couple of times! It’s a nightmare.
SISSY: That sounds like a huge responsibility! I guess that means you can’t get drunk before you play?
BILL: I probably used to but I can’t play drunk now! None of us get wrecked before we play; maybe just a couple of drinks!
SISSY: What music do you like to listen to?
BILL: The Sigur Ros album was my favourite from 2005. I like a lot of film soundtracks by people like Ennio Morricone and John Barry. I like such a wide range of music; all the greats and some obscure stuff too, it’s hard to specify anything in particular…
That’s where we leave Bill, sitting at the grand piano in the live room. The mix of the new Placebo album is due to finish soon but Bill will still be there at the weekend, sorting out the equipment and tying up loose ends. His wide musical tastes, refusal to be in the limelight and amenable attitude (rare qualities in the music industry!) seem to make him the perfect, and possibly the only candidate for the job he does so efficiently! For info about Placebo, go to www.placeboworld.co.uk

Fiona… perfecting her bowstrokes!
When you’re watching Top of the Pops and one of the main acts appears with a glamorous, blonde, all-girl string section in the background, the chances are that one of them will be Fiona Brice. Fiona is an orchestral arranger and violinist, who works mostly for pop, rock and indie bands and also does occasional theatre work. She’s played for loads of famous bands including Sugarbabes, Ronan Keating, Kanye West, Enya, Sophie Ellis Bexter, Boy George, Spiritualised, Harry Connick Jnr, Westlife, Simply Red, Russell Watson, and Gorillaz at the Brits 2006… the list is endless! She also does string arrangements for artists in the recording studio and has recently worked on albums with Placebo and Ed Harcourt.
SISSY: What training did you do?
FIONA: Initially I did all the grades up to grade 8 on violin and piano and I did theory as well. Then I did music A level and from the age of about 10, I always played in local orchestras at a Saturday school. I went on from school to do a Music and German degree at King’s College, London in conjunction with the Royal Academy of Music, for three years.
SISSY: How did you go about finding work?
FIONA: Well I’d always written music for the piano ever since I was a child, and when I was at college I was a bit disillusioned with the course I was doing; it was a composition course predominantly with performance aspects as well, but the teachers didn’t seem to be interested in you doing original music outside of their classical curriculum. Then just because I was in London, I met a load of different, interesting people outside university and that was how I started playing for bands.
It almost happened by chance; a friend of mine had a boyfriend who was in a band and asked me to play violin for him. It was a complete change from the classical world I was used to; playing rock music!
SISSY: Did you join any type of agency to get session work?
FIONA: When I graduated I just needed to earn money and I’d never really understood how I could earn a living through music, so for a while I just did temporary office work and played gigs with friends in the evenings. Finally I couldn’t handle that anymore so I took a bit of a leap; got a loan and started really concentrating on trying to work as a musician. Then I sent CV’s, photos and CD’s to anyone in the music business that I could think of who might get me work playing violin. Luckily I got taken on by someone I still work for… it’s a company called Wired Strings run by Rosie Danvers who’s a cellist. She puts together or ‘fixes’ string sections for all the TV shows like Top of the Pops and CDUK. I also occasionally do work through an agency called Session Connection… in fact I probably get TV and touring work through about 5 different people.
SISSY: How can someone starting out find these agencies and get work?
FIONA: The best place is to look on the internet. A lot of the agents, like Session Connection for example, operate in a similar way to modelling agencies; they only open their books once a year for new people so you have to send your details in at the right time.It depends on what you play as to whether they take you on; if it’s a more unusual instrument or something they need a lot of you’re more likely to get taken on, for example there’s not many viola players around. If you’re a male guitarist it’s hard to get on someone’s books because there’s so many of them but if you’re a female harpist… you might be the only one and you may be able to find a niche!
SISSY: Can you tell us about a typical session on Top of the Pops or CDUK?
FIONA: The first time you do it, it seems really fun and glamorous but after you’ve done it a few times, the novelty wears off a bit! You usually get the booking about 4 or 5 days before the shoot and you get sent a CD; you never get sent sheet music even though we can all read it and it would make things easier! You have to pick out your part by ear. Even though you’ll probably be miming on the day, as a string player you have to co-ordinate all the bowing with the other players so it looks right on camera, so you do have to actually learn it properly.
If you’re doing CDUK it’s a really early start; you get to the studios at about 8 in the morning, then you do a camera rehearsal, which takes about 15-20 minutes. Then there’s 4 or 5 hours to wait around until you’re actually on camera. The main artist we’re playing for will generally be there for the rehearsal unless they’re someone really big and they’re too busy doing interviews or something. The purpose of the camera rehearsal is to get all the shots lined up so they know who is doing what at each point of the song. When you turn up, you’re expected to look all glamorous even though it’s early in the morning but before the take you have to do your hair and make-up and change into whatever clothes they’ve asked you to wear… basically it’s hours of preparation and waiting around followed by the actual shoot which is 3 minutes of intense activity, then you go home!
Top of the Pops is similar, except sometimes the camera rehearsal is the day before the shoot, which is ok because you get paid for two days!
SISSY: Do you always mime for these TV programmes or do you sometimes play live?
FIONA: It’s usually a mime although I have done it live as well. I’ve done a lot of work with Kanye West recently and he insisted on us playing live… we’d learnt the part anyway so we may as well! It’s just more hassle for the soundmen in the studio and they generally prefer not to do it. It does give it more of an edge if it’s live because you want to perform well; that’s what you’ve been trained to do so you feel better about it. When you’re miming you don’t really feel like you’ve done a gig.
SISSY: Do you know all the other session string players in London from working on the same jobs?
FIONA: I do now. There are a lot of string players in London because there’s quite a lot of work but you do tend to see the same faces over and over again. With the TV work, there’s a pool of about 20 or 25 people I would expect to see over the year, plus the odd new face here and there.
SISSY: Is the session work well paid?
FIONA: It’s not a good as people think! For an appearance on Top of the Pops or CDUK you might get around £160. And although that’s for a 3 minute performance, if you bear in mind that you have to be there for about 7 hours of the day it doesn’t work out as that much per hour. People might think that you must be rich because you’re on television but it doesn’t work like that.
SISSY: Can you tell us about your touring jobs?
FIONA: I’ve toured with lots of indie bands, which usually means getting in a splitter van and travelling around on a really low budget. But I’ve also done some big tours, like the Sugarbabes, and I’ve just finished doing a three-month tour with Simply Red, which is the other end of the spectrum with a really big budget.
SISSY: Can you tell us more about the Simply Red Tour? And have you got any gossip about Mick Hucknall?!
FIONA: He is a very good performer; charming onstage but not charming offstage! I can say that now because my contract’s finished! He has a bit of a reputation, which is fairly valid in my view! On the tour, we started off in the UK and Ireland doing arena size gigs, which were an average of 10,000 capacity. Then we went to Europe and did Germany, Italy, Switzerland, Hungary, The Czech Republic; it was quite a long tour and a bit tiring on the travel front, but loads of fun!
It was a really big band; it’s quite unusual to tour with a band that size. It was a 12-piece girl string section plus the band itself, which was about 9 or 10 people. So there were at least 20 of us on stage! Plus there was a huge entourage; we had 5 tour buses just for the band and entourage, and a whole convoy of lorries with the set, the stage and all the equipment.It was all brilliantly organised though. When I saw the schedules I couldn’t believe how someone had sorted out the logistics of a tour that big.
SISSY: Who are you playing for at the moment?
FIONA: I’m playing violin for Vashti Bunyan who’s a cult folk singer. She’s a really interesting woman with an amazing story: In 1968 she was a young singer/songwriter; she had songs written for her by the Rolling Stones; she was produced by Andrew Loog Oldham and she released a record which went nowhere. So she got very disillusioned with the whole thing because the style of music that was taking off was rock and roll, and she was writing fragile little songs. She made one album, but then she basically packed up and left to go travelling for the next 20 years in a caravan. She shunned the music industry completely because she wasn’t interested in it.
Then a few years ago, the master tapes of her original album were found in a cupboard at a record company and got re-released. There was a resurgence of interest in her and she’s just released a new album. I have done a few live gigs with her before, including the Barbican, and now we’re going to be doing some European shows. She’s got a cult following here and in Europe; apparently original copies of her first album sell for around £900… it’s so rare that I don’t think even she has a copy of it! I think it’s brilliant that she’s re-starting her career now, in her 50’s. She’s been through so much in her life that she doesn’t care about the bullshit; she’s just carried on doing her music through everything. And she’s a lovely person to work with.
SISSY: Are you currently working on any arrangements?
FIONA: I’m doing some string arrangements for a couple of bands, and I’m writing my own string quartet. It’s classical, but a bit more like film music because that’s what I’d like to do next; write for films.
SISSY: Who do you admire in the world of composing for films?
FIONA: Michael Nyman is a good composer who has crossed over to the medium of film scores brilliantly. I also admire the big names; John Williams, Danny Elfman.
SISSY: Can you tell us a bit more about composing and arranging… how you got started and who you’ve worked for?
FIONA: One of the things I learnt for my degree was how to read an entire orchestral score, and how to write for every instrument. I mainly write for strings because that’s what I play but I have written for brass on albums in the past and I can write for anything if necessary.I’ve recently worked on Placebo’s new album and done some tracks for Ed Harcourt. I’ve also just written some arrangements for the Feeling who are a new band on the scene, and I worked on Clearlake’s album… they’re signed to Domino Records.
SISSY: With pop, rock and indie bands, do you get string players in to record the parts or do you do it on keyboards with string samples?
FIONA: Mostly we get musicians in. With the Placebo album, I wrote string arrangements for 4 tracks and I had quite a lot of freedom in what I came up with. The band had to approve what I’d written so I did demos on computer using a programme called Sibelius, which is for classical scoring. Then I had to fix the players that I wanted to do the session and get them ready. We recorded it at a big studio called Angel studios in Islington. We had 18 or so players and I was conducting, as I don’t actually play on a session like that because I’d be wearing two hats; it’s best to concentrate on the overall thing. It basically involves being the musical director; it’s my responsibility to work with the producer to get the sound he wants in the allocated time. One of the tracks I worked on is going to be released as the European single, which is great!
SISSY: How do you get paid for working on an album? Do you get ‘points’ (a percentage from sales) or a fee?
FIONA: You’ve got to be super-famous to get points on the album. Again, it’s actually not very well paid compared to how much the band are going to earn out of it. For string arranging, you can get paid between £500 and £1500 per track depending on how much work you have to do. I know quite a few arrangers and the going rate seems to be going down lately! If you’re the musical director on a session you will get some royalties as well through MCPS but the players just get the musicians union rates which is £110 for a 3-hour recording session. If the track they play on is released as a single, they also get what’s called a buy-out fee of about £500. But if you think, the record might sell 2 million copies and the players only got a hundred quid, it does seem a bit unfair!
SISSY: I know it used to be essential to be in the Musician’s Union before you could do TV or recording work. Is that still the case?
FIONA: No, you don’t have to join but it can be worth it. They have improved over the last few years; I used to think they were a bit of a dinosaur and completely out of touch but recently I’ve found them quite useful. On jobs where I’m arranger and I have to fix the string section, I’m liable to the musicians for their fees so if the record company doesn’t pay me I could be in trouble. The MU gives me access to legal help to protect me in these situations. And they’ve got some good schemes like free equipment insurance.
SISSY: What are your favourite composers?
FIONA: On the classical side of things, my favourites are probably mostly modern composers like Bartok, Shostakovich, Lennox Berkeley as well as older classical composers like Mozart… my tastes aren’t particularly avant garde. Lots of film music nowadays is influenced by Bartok and Shostakovich.
SISSY: How do you start a composition?
FIONA: I don’t write in a particularly organised way. I might sit down at the piano and come up with an idea, then I’ll use the academic skills I’ve acquired to develop that idea. Sometimes it ends up being rubbish, sometimes not. When it’s good I get a really good feeling about it, it’s a very instinctive thing. If the idea is working, I write quite fast.
SISSY: Do you think that knowing lots of music theory can sometimes inhibit the creative process or the ability to improvise?
FIONA: When I was at college they always said you have to learn all the rules before you can break them and I did find that a bit limiting. While I was there, I stopped writing songs for 3 years because the skill involved in writing songs wasn’t valued at all; they only valued classical composition skills. I think that now, most people would recognise that writing a hit song is actually quite a difficult thing to do and is worth just as much as an art form.
SISSY: Which of the acts that you’ve played for have you enjoyed doing the most?
FIONA: I really enjoyed playing with Kanye West, because it was such an unusual combination of musical styles. I worked on a DVD for him called Live From Abbey Road which was just Kanye with a 17-piece string section. I was involved with the scoring for that as well and it was really exciting because it felt like we were doing something new.
SISSY: With the compositions you are writing now, how will you go about getting interest in your music? Is it very different to the process involved in pushing your music if you’re in a band?
FIONA: A lot of composers just write for the sake of it; they don’t try and push their stuff to get released or make money, they write because they need to write. So I started writing because I wanted to, but now I’m looking around for funding or some kind of Arts Council grant. It’s hard because not many people are interested in giving me money to write a string quartet. So what I’m going to do is, I have lots of friends who are very talented string players and I’ll get a quartet together to record the work. I’ll pay them out of my own pocket because I believe players should always get paid. Then I’ll take the recording and do almost the same thing a band would do; shop it around and see if I can get some interest or some funding for a bigger project. One thing I hope it will achieve is I’m looking for a manager at the moment; I’m at a level now where I need to do that for the writing and arranging side of things, not the session playing… if I had to give someone a percentage of my session fees I’d end up with nothing! And I’d like to aim for getting some film and TV work if possible.
SISSY: Are there many people who work as arrangers and musical directors?
FIONA: I know quite a few people who do what I do but we all have slightly different styles; in fact Ed Harcourt’s new album is a really good example of that because he used 4 or 5 different string arrangers on the album. I did 2 tracks and at first I thought there would be too many strings on the album but because we all have very distinct different styles of writing, you can hear the diversity. I should mention that the string-playing world is a very competitive world, it’s not easy and people will steal jobs and take your credit if they can, just like in any business, but I’d like to think there’s room for every one because we all have our own different styles.
SISSY: Do you think it’s true that there will always be a certain amount of work for string players because it’s less subject to the whims of what’s fashionable than other styles of music?
FIONA: There does always seem to be work around if you look for it. It can be very diverse things, like for example last year I was asked to write some incidental music for the stage production of Billy Elliot, and then I was back doing sessions on CDUK. Or I might get asked to arrange music for someone’s wedding… it’s a really weird range of work! One thing that isn’t so great is you often don’t get the budget to do exactly what you’d like to do. When you think back to the 60’s, most tracks were recorded with a big orchestra… there are loads of string players on things like the Beatles because that was the done thing. Now there’s a lot of cutting corners, like having less players and double-tracking them. You’ve got to be working for a really hot selling band to get the funding agreed for a big string section or orchestra.
SISSY: Has the internet and computer technology had any effect on the world of classical music?
FIONA: I think so, because people have access to so much more music now. There are things you only come across because you can hear it on the internet. For classical music, it’s meant that distribution costs are less so classical artists can sell CD’s over the internet and it’s more cost effective for them, especially as they don’t have big marketing machines behind them most of the time. There is some great software that’s helped with writing classical music; the music publishing programme Sibelius is brilliant because you write the music in a score, similar to using Word for writing letters. It produces scores to publisher standards and you can hear back what you’ve written. They’ve just improved the programme so now you can sync it up and listen to the score over a track you’re writing for. The orchestral samples it uses are a little limited, but at least you can hear what you’re doing, and print the finished scores. I think lots of schools are starting to use it now for GCSE and A level music. If I need to do anything more complicated, I use Logic or Pro-tools. Even Garageband is useful, because I can quickly hear what I’m doing and add reverb to the strings so it sounds better when I play it to someone.
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Fiona has to leave us at this point; she’s off to the gym to keep fit for her busy schedule. We wish her luck with her composition work; hopefully she’ll have something on line soon for everyone to check out!
